Franz’s F1, southeastern Bavaria


I’m a half century old software developer (actually a physicist) and got the kayak bug a year ago. I live in the very southeast of Bavaria/Germany close to Rosenheim. Now I’m embarking on building a F1.

Since I get quite a couple of questions about my material sources:

Because of the astronomical shipping costs I did not order anything from the US. Here a list of my materials and the sources (with Brians approval):

  • Ballistic nylon 310g/m2 :
  • no name Footbraces (25.-EUR): kanucenterhh on
  • Lechler 2 component (29140 and 29340) PU-coating:  Farben Schiffmann, Kolbermoor  (
  • 1/4″ router bit: (UK manufacturer that  sells high quality bits for very competetive prices)
  • Dacron bowstring (used double stranded as a replacement for artificial sinew):
  • Holzmann LP700 200W adjustable soldering gun as hotknive (any adjustable soldering gun with 150+W will probably do):
  • Ottocol P84 wood glue: (Due to some funny health regulation this is only sold to professionals. Some ebay sellers don’t care 😉
  • foldable ruler with inch and meter devisions: (my personal method of not going crazy about medieval measuring systems 😉

All these I can recommend and I would use again if I build another boat.

In case anyone needs local help or just wants to get in touch / paddling with me: Just leave a comment. I can see the nonpublic email address and will respond to you.

16th March 2019

I’m currently still preparing things. This is already getting a bit lengthy, since I could not get good wood and ended up cutting 30x50mm roof battens (I hope that’s the correct term) on the bandsaw and laminating them for gunwales.

For the ribs I could get some fresh pieces of ash trunks and cut them up on the bandsaw. Planing both down with my Makita hand planer proofed to get a little tricky so I ordered a thickness planer with is currently still to come.

18th March 2019

The thickness planer (a Triton TPT 125) arrived today. After setting it up and hooking it to my dyi dust collection I planed the rib stock to size.

I addition to this I found out that planing a good 30 ribs from roughly 10mm down to 6.5mm generates way more than a bucket of shavings and will fill up the shop vac, too…. completely.

Plans for tomorrow:

– Plane the gunwales and if the ordered router bits have arrived by then route them, too.

– Take some more photographs

19th March 2019

Went home from work early and found the routers I ordered from Wealden Tools in England in the letterbox. Royal Snail Mail seems to have gained speed considerably since last time 🙂 .

I ran the gunwales through the planer until they where 18mm thick screwed them together, marked them and then routed the rib mortises. I decided to I either dowel or screw the deckbeams in since I still lack some appropriate wood for the coaming and thus can’t determine the precise placement of deckbeam 3 in the moment.

Added form boards, capture forms and straps (wrong position in the foto). Checking the symmetry didn’t reveal any oddities, so I kerfed the ends and lashed them together.

Then I ran out of daylight and although winter is already on the retreat here it got pretty cold outside so I called it a day.

20th March 2019

Today I started with pegging the gunwales together

Then marking, cutting and putting the deckbeams in. Since I found a packet of 5x60mm stainless steel woodscrews in the workshop I went the easy route and just screwed them in. Probably not the prettiest way to do that, but fast and easy.

Still having no coaming I could not put in deckbeam 3, but I realised, that it was to short anyway. So I cut up some spruce only to find out that this particular one would not want to be bent at all. I had some hazel lying around, so I tried my luck with that. It steambent like butter.

I currently can’t get proper ash or oak for the coaming, but since I need it to go on with the build I decided that it was time to solve this. I took the saw and went to my wood behind the house to get some more hazel to make a coaming from that. If I get more ash in time I simply will build a second one. I cut the hazel on the bandsaw and ran it through the planer.

My coaming bending form. I admit it looks a bit rustic but I think it will do.

My steambox is too short for a coaming but I figured out I could bend it in 2 steps.

First the middle:

Then back to the box

then bend and glue the ends

21st March 2019

I fetched some more 30x50mm roof battens from the hardware store since I still needed to make the keel, both side stringers and the foredeck stringer.

Back home I decided to bend another coaming because yesterdays was quite thin (6mm) and I had some more hazel left. Seems I just took an image after planing and forgot to do so while bending. Anyway it didn’t look different than yesterdays except that this was 9mm thick.

I cut the new battens in half on the bandsaw and ran them through the planer. The stringers are fine, but the keel had one big knot in it I could not avoid. So I cut it out and joined it back together.

I cut and planed the new deckbeam 3 I had bent and glued up from hazel yesterday and it turned out quite nice even though it looks a little skinny besides the oversized ones I made from spruce. I put the coaming on and screwed the beam in place.

Then on to sorting, marking and cutting ribs. I rounded the edges and then stacked them up in the right order, only to find out that I had cut rib nr 3 to short. Make a new one,  tidy up and call it a day.

22nd March 2019

Today I’d just planned to make some bending experiments and to thin the ends of the rips to fit properly into the mortises. But the bending tests with some rib cutoffs went unexpectely well,

so I thinned the rip ends while the additional water warmed up and began bending ribs.

Taking 5 minute intervals proofed a good choice for me. My deepest respect to those who can do it in 1 minute like Brian.

I lost 5 ribs due to questionable grain and pin knots.

I used a simple centering gauge to make sure the center mark of each rib ended up where it should.

Bending ribs freehand like Brian seemed a bit scary to me, so I fixed 2 round pieces of wood to my sawhorse for the initial bends. One with 65mm diameter, the other with 255mm (for those who prefer medieval measuring systems 😉 : 2 1/2″ and 10″ ) . They proofed very handy to me.

Having added a little door to the steambox was pretty good, too. This way you can save valuable seconds.

I had no more time to fit keel and stringers so I just clamped on the keel. The ribs kept their form quite well, so I’m pretty confident that the whole thing won’t run away until tomorrow.

24th March 2019

I just lashed on the keel, today.

25th March 2019

Not much progress today, since I could not leave too early from work and dropped by my local paint dealer to ask about PU coatings. It looks like they have something decent for a very fair price.

I cut both stems to fit and started lashing the bow stem just when the sun went to sleep. When I was finished it had begun to rain and  temperature was just about freezing so I stopped for today. The old greenlanders would probably have called something like this a warm summer night 😉 (ignoring the fact, that they don’t have nights in summer….).

26th March 2019

Still just little progress. I got the stern stem lashed in and when I decided to take the night shift, too and lash the stringers on I first realized that I had not beveled them yet and then that I accidentally had cut them to the length of the keel. After shortening and rebeveling I somehow lost momentum…

Just some shaky images with very low light of yesterdays on todays work:

28th March 2019

Todays summary:

  • lashed on left stringer
  • broke right stringer
  • made a new stringer
  • lashed on right stringer

29th March 2019

Just lashed the ends of the stringers today.

31st March 2019

Just pegged the secondary stringers today. From tomorrow I will be on a business trip for a week, so no progress on the boat 🙁

10th April 2019

If anyone following this wonders what’s up: Brian mailed me last week while I was still on my business trip and told me, that the mid and aft ribs where too round and I would end up with a tippy boat. I tried to fix the ribs with a heat gun, but it didn’t work as planned. I now have to prepare some more ribstock and take the boat apart again. Since I have a couple of other things to work on, so don’t expect to much progress until late April / early May.

16th April 2019

Got a bit of oak for free. Just need some time to get it sawn.

27th April 2019

I figured out instead of waiting until I get the oak sawn I just could resteam the current ribs and try to get them into the right shape. If it fails I just lost some time. So I unlashed stringers and keel and cranked up the the steambox. Since it wasn’t in the way too much I left the keel on the boat so I had a guide for the ribs. I had marked the stringer position on the ribs. That turned out to help a lot in finding the spot where the main bend had to be. Brian mentions that in the video when telling to grab the ribs at the end and bending just above the hand, but I somehow had not realized that this is about the position of the stringer. Reheating and bending the ribs went quite well. I just had to replace 3 ribs for which I still had some ash stock left. Having the keel still there I quickly lashed it to the ribs again.

28th April 2019

Lashed the stringers back on and doweled the aft deck stringers to the deckbeams. To finish off the day I gave the frame a good coat of wood oil but forgot to take some photographs until it was to dark outside. But, yeah I finally see some progress again 🙂

30th April 2019

Today I just got time to take some images

5th May 2019

Winter tries to come back and I to get the skin onto the F1. I took refuge in the carport, but there are probably better things to do on a rainy day at 7C….

7th May 2019

Finished sewing today and then removed the lacing since I had probably pulled a little too hard and got holes in the skin. I recon the skin I use is quite a bit softer than that Brian recommends.

The front turned out pretty OK

The back part is a bit uglier

For anyone not wanting to buy an expensive hotknife: I used a 200W soldering gun with adjustable temperatur. Was just 25.-EUR on ebay and worked fine.

14th May 2019

The last days I was busy with my coaming. Since I had no proper wood at first I just had made one of hazel. But because I thought I would not use it I had skipped the lip. As things go I still have no proper wood so I decided that I would use the hazel coaming. It’s a tough stuff anyway. So I bent a lip for it. Hazel is nearly white and would not look that good on a white boat so I stained it with walnut colored  woodstain. For I didn’t want to risk the stain washing into the nylon I had to put some varnish on, too.

Today the coaming went onto the kayak and I could finally shrink the skin. It was a bit dark to take proper fotos so here just 2 very shaky ones.

15th and 16th May 2019

Time for some chemistry

Painting went OK. I used 270ml batches (180ml PU and 90ml hardener). The bottom got 2 double batches and a final coat of one batch. The top 2 single batches and a third coat with a half batch. So all in all it was 1350ml PU and 675ml hardener. Just if anyone wants to use the same stuff. Payed 40EUR for that. I could bring back what I didn’t need. Did I say that I absolutely love that paint dealer?

17th May 2019

Weather was fine today but the forecast for the next days rather bad. So I threw something to sit on into the kayak made a little makeshift backrest and ignoring that I still have to fit deck lines and rubstribs I took it for a maiden voyage onto Lake Chiemsee.

King Ludwig II’s last and unfinished castle Schloss Herrenchiemsee

A bit of panorama: Left Hochgern, right Kampenwand. Both still coverd with some snow.

Ah well, how does the F1 paddle? Good question. I’m not an experienced paddler by any means, so take the following just as a newbies blabla.

Entering was a bit tricky. As long as you sit on top, the F1 feels VERY tippy, but once your bum makes contact with the seat it’s nothing but fine. There are no real waves on Chiemsee except those made by the big tourist boats which can be well over half a meter and very short and choppy. But I never felt uncomfortable even when I got deliberately near to them. The F1 seems to me reasonable fast, but not having paddled my Wave Sport Hydra for a couple of months I’ll have to do some side by side testing. I needed some time to adjust to a boat with no rudder but then it felt just natural. All in all I think we’ll be friends.

8th June 2019

Thorsten (see comments) and I met at Chiemsee today so he could take a ride in my F1. I also had my Wavesport Hydra with me so we could compare them side by side.

Thorsten taking off from Sundowner Beach in my F1 faster then I could grab the camera:

We went across half the Lake and payed King Ludwig II’s castle Schloss Herrenchiemsee a short visit.

Actually we just went to the toilett and took a photograph for you guys 😉

Then we went around the north side of the island, stopped shortly to swap boats on the Krautinsel (the small island between Herreninsel and Fraueninsel) and headed back to the starting point.

This is me in the F1 on the way back.

All in all we spent about 4 hours on the water and the F1 is definitely easier to paddle than the Hydra. I get to like it more and more. Thanks, Brian! Hope I could help Thorsten with his desicion which boat to build.

21th June 2019

I had time to go paddling today until noon, so I went to the Chiemsee again for a short loop around the islands.

Ah and yes in the meantime I added a backrest. Since I could not find a european source for a propper backrest and the seat i my Wavesport Hydra is pretty fine I tried to replicate this. A piece of 2mm alu with some polyethylene foam and a camstrap did do the trick. I just needed to fix some holders on the gunwales.

25th August 2019

I was out on Chiemsee quite a few times now and I have to say that I like the F1 more and more. Today I rolled it the first time, although I still had a paddle float on. I’m still struggling to do it without the float but it’s just a couple of weeks I have taken a 2h rolling training with an instructor in which I used my plastic Wavesport Hydra.

My planned trip to the swedish part of the Baltic Sea fell victim to searching a new job, but I hope to take the F1 with me to a trip to Sardinia in September.

29th October 2019

It’s 2 weeks that I’m back from a 5 week trip to Sardinia, now. Paddling on salt water for the first time, I learned a lot in this short time. At the beginning 30cm waves make you wet your shorts, but after some time trying you find out what the F1 is up to and what you can do with it. At the end of the trip I was out with a guy I met on the campsite in La Maddalena in a solid level 3 sea condition ( 1.3m waves and 25-30km/h wind ) and we still had fun and I never had the impression the the boat could not handle that. This is probably the point to give a very big THANKS to Brian for creating such a good kayak!!!!

Enough talking. Time for some images:

Near Putzu Idu
West coast of Sant Antioccho
West coast of Sant Antioccho
West coast of Sant Antioccho
West coast of Sant Antioccho
Near Marina di Gairo
Near Marina di Gairo
La Maddalena island, preparing to go out together with Jens.
Near Isuledda
Near Isuledda
Near Isuledda

Back home I got myself a water proof camera, an Olympus TG-4 and went paddling on Chiemsee again:

Chiemsee Fraueninsel
Chiemsee Fraueninsel (l) and Krautinsel (r)

3rd May 2020

High time to get on the water again. Since I started the new job in November I didn’t get to paddle. At first to much work, then low temperature, then the coronavirus. Now watersport is actual OK with the current restrictions, but since a lot of people went to the Chiemsee they closed down all the public parking lots at the shore. Today I decided that enough is enough and that I’d go and see if I can find a place to leave the car where I don’t have to far too get the F1 wet. And what shall I say? I found a cool little parking lot in front of a currently closed hotel in the very northwest of the lake. 20m to the water. Spent a couple of hours to go around all the islands.

Fraueninsel (left) and Krautinsel (center)

30th Aug 2020

Once again paddling Chiemsee today, but no glassy boring sunshine day. The forecast was 14°C, rain showers and wind between 15 and 20km/h changing from NE to W. All in all a bit of choppy splish splash and occacionally up 3/4m waves. Had a good workout and a lot of fun.

Just after the start in Felden
View out onto the lake
Lunch brake on Fraueninsel
Today the sailboats where faster (happens rather seldom)
Already on the way back south

24th Sep 2020

Went paddling Chiemsee together with Harry (see comments below) my collegue Filipe this afternoon. We had quite some fun with relatively big waves from a quite strong wind coming the completele other way as all forcast’s predicted. I paddled Harrys skin on frame boat (Whooha! was this little thing tippy!!) most of the way while he tried out my F1 and Filipe did his first kayak ride ever in my Wavesport Hydra. I just took a single image when we had a short stop before we hit the bumpy and way more fun to paddle part. Here the two swapped boats for a moment

21th Feb. 2021

Last time I got on the Water was sometime in November 2020 and since this week temperatures did rise significantly I was itching to get on the lake even if water temperatures were just 3.5°C. But that is what they made dry suits for.

Today Luca and I went to Chiemsee for an early start at 9:45

Webcam Chiemsepark Felden
View south just after the start in Felden
View southeast just after the start in Felden
Lunch break on Fraueninsel
Back on the way south from our turning point in Gollesnhausen

According to what I drew on the map we did about 23km. Pretty OK for the first time this year as we had quite a stiff headwind on the first half of the trip. We had feared that it would be quite hot in our dry suits as the air temperature was around 10°C, but with the pretty cold wind we were just all right. I just need to get better gloves. Anyone a tip?

Ah, yes: Today I saw the first skin on frame boat on Chiemsee aside from my F1. A guy from Ingolstadt who had built it from Harveys book.

7th March 2021

Again a fine day albite with a quite frosty morning. I was at the Felden parking lot at 9:45 and quile gearing up met a guy from Augsburg with a kayak on the roofrack of his car. I didn’t know that people drive 160km to paddle here. I met him and his friends later on the lake again.

All in all a really calm day with an almost glasslike lake and a forecasted wind in the afternoon that never came as so often.


  1. Fernando
    May 8, 2019

    Hello Franz,
    it’s very nice to follow your build. Would be great to get in contact as I also plan to build a F1.
    Beste Grüße nach Bayern,

  2. Thorsten
    May 14, 2019

    Grüß Dich Franz,
    Ich wohne in Regensburg und überlege aktuell auch ein F1 zu bauen. Wäre es möglich Deines mal live zu sehen. Vielleicht kannst du mir ein bisschen was zu deinen Erfahrungen berichten?

    Ich würde mich sehr über Deine Rückmeldung freuen.
    Viele Grüße

  3. Thorsten
    July 5, 2019

    Hey Franz,

    Lieben Dank noch mal für den Tag am Chiemsee… es war mir ein Fest!
    Ich werd ein LPB als Ultralight bauen 🙂
    Morgen hol ich die Esche und in den nächsten Wochen geht’s dann endlich los. Wenn ich mal fertig bin meld ich mich und wir machen nochmal einen Trip mit unseren Kajaks.

    Viele Grüße und auf bald,

  4. Franz
    July 6, 2019

    Hoi Thorsten,
    freut mich, dass ich dir helfen konnte. Sag bescheid, wenn du fertig bist.
    (I’m pleased that I could help you. Tell me, wenn your boat is ready.)

  5. Uwe
    July 12, 2019

    Hallo Franz

    Thank you very much for the fine report.
    I also live in Bavaria, have never built a boat before, but now I want to build a Pack-Canoe.
    (@Brian: Thank you so much for the inspiring Content and the Great plans / Videos on the Canoe !)
    It would be great if I could get your email address, especially to benefit from your experience with materials and their procurement.

    I am still at the beginning of the >planning phase, and it may well be that this will be more of a winter project, but a local direct contact with experience will probably be very helpful.
    Greetings from Oberbayern 🙂


  6. Martin Brügge
    July 27, 2019

    Hallo Franz,

    Was für ein tolles Boot, Hut ab.
    Ich bin Martin, 40 jähriger Kaufmann aus dem Westerwald.
    Obwohl handwerklich nur so semi begabt, habe ich mir auch in den Kopf gesetzt, das F1 zu bauen.
    Am meisten Bauchschmerzen macht mir dabei im Vorfeld neben dem auftreiben passenden Holzes, das Problem der nicht metrischen Maßeinheiten. Wie haben Sie das gelöst?

    Würde mich freuen von Ihnen zu hören.
    Vielem Dank und Gruß,
    Martin B.

    (Hi im Martin from germany and I plan to build am f1, too. But im a little worried, if i can handle the plans, because i am only used to work with the metric system and metric tools – im interested in how franz handled this problem. )

  7. Günter Fossler
    December 11, 2019

    Hallo Franz!

    Ist ein schönes Boot geworden!
    Ich bingerade am Bau meine F1- in einer “Sondervariante”- nicht in Hinblick auf die Grösse sondern auf das Baumaterial. Ich verwende Carbon anstelle Holz, die Abmessungen blkeiben aber exakt die, die ich über die von Brian gekauften Pläne habe.

    Ich habe ein paar Fragen von denen ich hoffe, du kannst sie beantworten:
    – Bezugsquelle für das Nylon: Ich nehme an extremtextil, oder?
    – Bezugsquelle für die Lechler-Beschichtung? Kannst du mir von dem Händler einen Kontakt nennen?

    Wie bist du bislang zufrieden mit der Beschichtung? Dicht? Glatt? Abrieb?
    Der Grund meiner Nachfrage ist weniger wegen der Kosten, sondern weil skinboats auf meine Mails bislang nur sehr zögerlich reagiert und ich daher nicht weiss, ob sie mir was verkaufen wollen…. Und das Zeitfenster bis zum Bau über Weihnachten ist nicht mehr lange.

    Vielen Dank!

    1. Franz
      December 11, 2019

      Hi Günter,
      die Bezugsquellen stehen am Ende meines Blogs. Wegen der Quelle fuer die Beschichtung frag mal den Torsten,
      der hatte das glaub ich irgendwo bestellt.
      Soweit bin ich mit der Lechler-Beschichtung zufrieden. Ist zwar nicht 100% glatt, aber das kommt eher vom Stoff.
      Auftrag auf alle Faelle nicht mit Schaumrollen. Ich hab kurzflorige Rollen genommen, die schaumen nicht. Evtl.
      geht der Auftrag mit Plastikspachtel noch besser.


  8. Noah
    March 3, 2020

    Hallo Franz

    Ich und mein Bruder sind aus der Schweiz und wollen uns auch ein F1 bauen. Nun haben wir auf mehreren Websiten und Foren gelesen dass Nylon den Nachteil hat dass es etwas Wasser aufnimmt und dadurch sogar Falten werfen kann (die Links habe ich am ende angehängt). Unsere Frage nun: hast du Ähnliches beobachte oder ist das bei dir gar nicht der Fall? (Du erwähnst dass der Stoff nicht ganz glatt ist im vorigen Kommentar, ist das immer der Fall oder nur wenn du paddeln gehst?)

    Freundliche Grüsse

    1. Franz
      March 3, 2020

      Hallo Noah,
      das Nylon ist bei mir komplett faltenfrei und straff, egal ob nass oder trocken. Lediglich die Oberflaeche ist nicht 100% glatt, was aber an hochstehenden Fasern liegt. Wenn ich noch eins baue werde ich versuchen die erste Schicht Lack mir einer Kunststoffspachtel aufzutragen.

      1. Noah
        March 3, 2020

        Hallo Franz
        Vielen Dank für deine schnell Antwort!!
        Gruss Noah

  9. Hans Michel
    April 13, 2020

    Hallo Franz,
    Du zeigst mir, was noch Alles vor mir liegt. Ich fange gerade an ein F2 zu bauen. Immerhin habe ich taugliches Eichenholz gefunden und schon zwei Coamings fertiggestellt. Corey Freedmann hat mein Flehen erhört und mir Nylon und Neopren geschickt. Jetzt fehlt mir nur noch ein langes Brett für die Stringer und die Gunwales. Ein passendes Stück Tannenholz liegt bereits im Schwarzwald bereit. Jetzt darf ich mich aber nicht bewegen aufgrund des Virus.
    Hoffentlich kann es dann bald losgehen.
    Brauchst Du eigentlich deinen Dickenhobel noch oder würdest Du den verkaufen?
    Hoffentlich haben wir noch eine schöne Virusfreie Saison.


    1. Franz
      April 13, 2020

      Hallo Hans,
      mit den Coamings hast das schwierigste schon hinter dir. Wenn jetzt noch bei den Rippen aufpasst, das die nicht rund werden, sondern die Biegungen da haben wo Stringer und Kiel hinkommen kann eigentlich nicht mehr viel schief gehen.
      Ja, der Virus nervt gewaltig. Ich kann im Moment nicht paddeln, obwohl ich duerfte, weil am Chiemsee alle Uferparkplaetze wegen irgendwelcher Muenchner gesperrt sind, die in Massen am Ufer spazieren waren.
      Den Hobel brauch ich noch. Der Kajak war eigentlich nur die letzte Ausrede mir endlich einen zu kaufen.

  10. Jakob Lippert
    July 11, 2020

    Hallo Franz,
    ein schönes Boot hast du gebaut!
    Ich bin gerade ganz am Anfang bei meinem F1. Hab schon ein paar Biegetests mit Esche gemacht, funktioniert prima. Die nächsten Tage werde ich mich dann an das Coaming machen.
    Vielleicht ist es ja möglich, dass du mir mal Bescheid gibst wenn du das nächste mal paddeln gehst, ich wohne quasi um die Ecke direckt am Simssee. Wäre einfach super für mich dein Boot mal anzuschauen. Und vielleicht ja ne kleine Testfahrt, hätte als Gegenangebot ein sehr schönes Holzkanu 😉
    Liebe Grüße,

    1. Franz
      July 12, 2020

      Hi Jakob,
      endlich mal wer aus der Nachbarschaft. Ich schreib dir eine Mail,
      (cool! At last somebody from the neighborhood. Will email you.)

  11. Davor Gasparac
    August 20, 2020

    Many thanks for sharing the story, I especially like pictures ov Bavarian lakes – I was there a few years ago and you inspired me to go again.
    I have one question regarding Ballistic nylon you used – which one exactly did you use? I see a few of them having 310g/m2 on

    1. Franz
      August 21, 2020

      Hi Davor,
      the lakes get a bit boring with time, but better than not paddling anyway…
      I checked the 310g.m2 nylon at extremtextil. To me it all seems to be the same stuff. The difference is just the width and some are just rest pieces which are too small. Think I had the 1.4 wide.

  12. Harry Hinterwimmer
    September 20, 2020

    Hallo Franz,

    sehr gerne würde Ich Dein F1 mal ansehen. Ich hab selbst schon ein S&G und ein SoF gebaut, würde aber wegen der scheinbar extrem guten Fahreigenschaften gerne noch ein F1 für mich bauen.
    Vielleicht kann ich ja mal zum Ansehen vorbei kommen oder wir treffen uns auf ein gemeinsames Paddeln.

    Ich wohne in der Nähe von Fürstenfeldbruck 😉

    1. Franz
      September 20, 2020

      Hi Harry,
      heut waer ich 5h aufm Chiemsee gewesen 😉 Aber die A8 war eher ein Parkplatz als eine Autobahn. Da haettest mit der Anfahrt keinen Spass gehabt.
      Ich schreib dir eine e-Mail

  13. Markus
    November 26, 2020

    Hallo Franz,

    Kanst Du das Lechler 2 component (29140 and 29340) PU-coating noch immer empfehlen? Vielleicht sehen wir uns ja mal am Chiemsee 🙂


    Markus aus Salzburg

    1. Franz
      November 26, 2020

      Hallo Markus,
      ich kann nichts Negatives berichten. Ich wuerd beim Naechsten Mal evtl unten eine Schicht mehr draufmachen, aber sonst bin ich 100% damit zufrieden.
      Chiemsee waer cool, ich schreib dir noch per Mail.
      LG, Franz

    2. Günter
      November 27, 2020

      Hallo Markus,

      Ich habe auch das Lechler System verwendet das Franz empfohlen hat, zusammen mit Gewebe von extremtextil. Bilder davon gibt es auch hier, das Carbon-F1.

      Funktioniert. Ich habe es mit Walze aufgebracht. Terilweise musste ich mit Pinsel / Schaumpinsel verschlichten da der Lack zur Blasenbildung geneigt hat. 5 Schichten!
      Ist nicht so schlecht geworden, das Deck ist deutlich rauher geblieben (Gewebestruktur). 3 Schichten.

      Da ich das Gewebe zu zu warmen Temperaturen und trocken aufgenäht habe ist es bei mir nicht so schön gespannt wie ich das gerne hätte (va. in der kalten Jahreszeit. Darum habe ich mich entschlossen es runterzuschneiden und mit dem Zeug von neu zu machen.

      LG Günter, Wien

      1. Markus
        November 27, 2020

        Hallo Günter, Deinen Carbonpfeil hab ich natürlich schon bewundert, echt cool! Also Du sagst das Extremtextil unbedingt feucht halten und bei niedriger Temperatur aufziehen? Das Material von ist doch eher schwer zu bekommen. Wie ist da Deine Erfahrung?
        Danke! LG Markus

  14. Günter
    November 27, 2020

    ich habe das Nylon bei etwa 15° trocken aufgezogen und da gut gespannt.
    Das ganze war letzte Weihnachten, draussen war es deutlich kälter (so um die 5) und hat geregnet. Wäre also quasi perfekt gewesen…. 😉
    Da mit die Erfahrung gefehlt hat dachte ich, dass das schon reichen würde. Hat auch zunächst gut ausgesehen. Als och das Kajak nach einiger Zeit bei rund um die 0° wieder in die Hand genommen habe war speziell das Deck sehr floppy. Wurde mit steigender Temperatur natürlich wieder besser. Wenn man es aber kennt, dann merkt man schon, dass es sich mit der Temperatur verändert. zb vor 2 Wochen, als es schon recht kalt war.

    Ja, das Skinboat-Zeug ist schwer zu bekommen. Ich habe es letztes Jahr einfach aufgegeben.
    Da ich aber nun für meine Freundin ein F1 bauen soll und für mich selber ein WGreenland-Stretched baue und nun auch ein Bekannter von mir einen Harvey-Golden-Riss nachbaut und wieder ein anderer ein Re-Skin machen will sind nun (mit meinem F1 das ich re-skinne) insgesamt 5xNylon und PU zusammen gekommen und ich konnte Corey davon überzeugen, dass er mir das schickt (ich musste aber zeimlich hatnäckig sein….) Liegt jetzt schon einige Tage am Zoll in Wien. Dauert wohl länger wegen Corona. Ca 2 Wochen verhandeln mit Corey, dann Versand und dauer bis Einfuhrzoll ca 2 Wochen.

    1. Franz
      November 27, 2020

      Jungs, ich wuerde das ganze nicht pauschalisieren. Das Material was ich von Extrentextil hatte, hab ich erstmal getestet. Es hat sich beim Nasswerden nicht gelaengt (manche tun das) und dann beim ersten Trocknen etwas zusammengezogen. Nochmaliges Nassmachen hat dann nichts mehr geaendert. Die Schrumpfung war beim Trocken mit Waerme deutlich staerker als ohne. Ich wuerde das bei jedem Material vorher an einem 30x30cm Stueck probieren. Nur weil ich nochmal bei Quelle XY gekauft habe, heisst noch lange nicht, dass ich das Gleiche gekriegt habt.
      Wenn man den Stoff erst nach dem Naehen Nassmachen kann, ist das m.E. sehr angenehm, weil man nicht dauernd nachfeuchten und nicht alles am Stueck machen muss.
      Ich wuerde uebrigens zum Lackieren keine Schaumstoffrollen mehr nehmen (Hab ich beim ersten Durchgang). Die schaumen naemlich. Kurzflorige Fellrollen waren deutlich besser

  15. Alex
    March 20, 2022

    Guten Abend Franz,
    war uns eine Freunde dich auf dem Wasser heute zu treffen!
    Kannst gerne Bescheid geben nächstes Mal wenn du in der Nähe bist, dann haben wir auch einen trockenAnzug an 🙂
    VG und schönen Abend

    1. Franz
      March 20, 2022

      Hallo Alex,
      Hat mich auch gefreut mal jemand von hier zu treffen.
      Die meisten sind dann doch von weiter weg.
      Ich kann dir gern bescheid sagen. Allerdings ist das bei mir immer ein bischen kurzfristig.
      Vielleicht geht’s ja trotzdem.

  16. thomas
    November 14, 2022

    Hallo Franz !
    thanx a lot for taking time to describe your build, it is really usefull for next builders !
    I’m planning to build a canoe, and I am really interested in your goop solution. (not easy to get stuff from
    could you tell me more about the way you did it ?

    what RAL did you use ? I think I understand the lechler 29140 is a paint, but yours seems transparent ?

    did you put it wet on wet as Brian do ? how long between coats ? did you sand between coats ?

    1. Franz
      November 14, 2022

      Hi Thomas,
      yes getting stuff from across the big pond sucks.

      The base of the Lechler paint is transparent. You can have it in color, but I would not recommend that. My paint dealer (Schiffmann) made a little sample for me with colored and transparent Lechler paint. The colored was more brittle and did not penetrate the nylon as good as the transparent. If I’d go with colored I would just use it for the last coat and with significant less pigment that they normally use. Schiffmann would have mixed that for me to specification. But I’ll go with Brians acid stain first and than with the PU-stuff if I coat a skin again.

      I painted more or less wet in wet. PU-coatings don’t bind any more if you let them dry completely. Think I had an hour or 2 in between, but at fairly low temperature. Gave me some time, though. Just feel when it starts to dry.

      No sanding beween the coats. The stuff is still a little sticky.

      1. thomas
        November 14, 2022

        thanx a lot for your anwer ! I know everything now !

        I think I will try the kayakskin from
        with the lechler.
        I was going for the extremtextil, but it seems that it’s not that awesome… (but half the price…)

        I had found a dealer for the lechler on the web in germany, but there is a dealer in france too, I will compare…

        thanx again !

  17. Juri
    August 20, 2023

    Servus Franz,

    Wer hätte gedacht, dass gleich in der Nähe ein F1 unterwegs ist! Ich würde mich sehr, sehr freuen, das live zu sehen und vielleicht sogar kurz zu paddeln! Gerne auch sehr spontan und kurzfristig.
    Juri aus München

  18. Juri
    August 27, 2023

    Servus Franz,

    Weiß nicht, ob mein letztes Kommentar es zu dir geschafft hat. Anyway: ich wohne in München und würde sehr sehr gerne das F1 man testen. Komme natürlich gerne überall hin oder lade dich ein. Wäre das irgendwie möglich?



  19. Franz
    September 3, 2023

    Juri’s comments got trashed as spam. If you write a comment and you don’t get an answer from me please contact Brian.


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